Curse

CyberNigma · May 25, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

it's weird, when u gotta gain Factions Points, the "gotta do yer teamwork part with us" speech comes along .. BUT, when u need a hand capping elites and completing a mission .. all u got as an answer is stfu noob, need monk only/we help if u pay 100k

i m really amused

lol yeah I agree with you there.. those people are lame. especially people who will team with you and bail after they get their elite cap.. Luckily I've got a good guild and budding alliance with people that don't do that, but we have run across people that do that. We comfort ourselves in knowing the we don't do that, even though others have done that to us. I think that has more to do with character though than anything else.

On that thought, though, if we have guildies/allies coming I've been known to refuse even monks into the group in order to accommadate our friends. When we have nobody coming on the other hand, I've picked the level 7 ranger that needs that mission and can't find a group as opposed to the level 20s sitting around. The mission unltimately dictates, though, but a 'sorry but we really need so and so' is always better than the 'stfu noob'..

EDIT: On second thought, they are probably all the same people that do those things. If they'll do one, there's no reason why they won't do one of the other things we talked about.

crimsonfilms · May 25, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

First sign of AFKer. I leave. Not worth my time or grief.

robrobrob · May 25, 2006, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by wolfe2dale

I get "Distressed" everytime someone tries to get something for free off the back of my sweat. I will automatically leave any mission with an AFK player in team. I will ask everyone else to re-start with me, but if they don't they will just have to play without me.

No-one is getting something for nothing from me..

By leaving you also cause distress. Thanks for admitting that.

Haggard · May 25, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Isn't beating someone in PvP technically in violation of the rules, considering you aren't allowed to cause distress to other players?

Kaguya · May 25, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Haggard

Isn't beating someone in PvP technically in violation of the rules, considering you aren't allowed to cause distress to other players?

*gasp* Ohnoes!

But the PvE NPCs have killed my char too, they cause me distress

Oh, oh, and when the henchies start acting up, oh boy, talk about distress!

robrobrob · May 25, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Haggard

Isn't beating someone in PvP technically in violation of the rules, considering you aren't allowed to cause distress to other players?

That distress garbage is a rule that most players will manipulate to get what they want. When PersonA causes distress to PersonB, so PersonA will be happy, PersonB complains "oh, distress! distress!"

When PersonB causes distress to PersonC, so PersonB will be happy, PersonB goes "It's the system of the game. If you don't like how it works, don't play PersonC."

Quite amusing if you actually sit back and watch the little kids do that.

Wyvern King · May 25, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

it's weird, when u gotta gain Factions Points, the "gotta do yer teamwork part with us" speech comes along ..
BUT, when u need a hand capping elites and completing a mission .. all u got as an answer is stfu noob, need monk only/we help if u pay 100k

i m really amused

From what I could work out, that post says:

When in a PvP team, everyone tells you to pitch in with teamwork like you should. Fair enough

While you want to complete a mission or cap an elite, apparently everyone else should help you even when they don't want to

I have probably misread something, so sorry if so

floppinghog · May 25, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

so dumb, unless you were to bot clicking "enter mission" why would you be playing? there can only be 2 games at once in each apparently, so you click wait, get in, dont play? what the hell could be wrong with them. i play every chance i get its fun as hell having no DP and just beating down ppl lol. yes, and getting the objective done as well.
clicking and watching tv instead or something doesn't seem that much more fun?

maybe they just should setup a /kick command from all the party, and when that happens and they're out, someone who was waiting to join a mission gets in. it seems alot more sensible, maybe have it require 5 people to agree? someone can branch off that idea... i got work in awhile

robrobrob · May 25, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Why play a pointless mission if you still get faction simply for sitting there? What is the motivation? To show the other team how awesome you are? They don't care. Your own team doesn't care how good you are if you still lose.

So, uh, why should they play, again?

CyberNigma · May 25, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by robrobrob

Why play a pointless mission if you still get faction simply for sitting there? What is the motivation? To show the other team how awesome you are? They don't care. Your own team doesn't care how good you are if you still lose.

So, uh, why should they play, again?

That's true, but then why play the game? If it's to farm faction, then why farm faction? Is it to show the other players in the various cities how awesome you are at farming faction? Items in the game aren't real. They only matter in-game (except for ppl selling gold I suppose). I mean you really have to think about why you are playing the game. It's similar to people playing FPS games with aimbots and just sitting back to wait for their scores to go up. I don't see why a person would even both to play in that case unless it's more of an ego-thing. In that case, yeah that person would indeed want to show how awesome they are in the arena. The exception would be for those that always end up losing anyways (lack of skill, laziness, or maybe just being unlucky).

Most people don't get anything tangible out of a video game. It's just there to entertain and have fun. If a person's fun is just showing off how much faction they have or how good their armour is, well they can get a bot running or go to IGE like I said and do it that way. Is the idea to afk this faction so that a person can get high-end armour just to show off to someone, or maybe to get into an elite area and play there? I guess I'm just not understanding this from the other perspective. If it's to get into an elite area then at least it's for a chance to play somewhere else. If it's just for amber/jade to buy and show-off armour, then that person's not doing much more than playing with electronic Barbie dolls.

Vermilion Okeanos · May 26, 2006, 05:20 AM // 05:20

There is a difference between not helping and sabotaging.

People who afk and leech sabotage others; as if instead of sitting there watching, they take a bat and start whacking you with it to kill you faster.

People who don't join others to do elite cap, or make money are just not helping. If they join your party and go afk, they will be sabotaging, not just not helping.

Not helping is just a decision. Sabotaging is forced.

robrobrob · May 26, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

That's true, but then why play the game? If it's to farm faction, then why farm faction?

I can't pretend to know the reasoning behind everybody's decision to go AFK or not. Perhaps they're in a guild who is requiring faction to be converted, and they absolutely detest the missions. Maybe they're sick of killing the mind-numbing Wardens for faction to conver to amber for their 15k. Maybe they want to have a laugh at crippling one side so their friends on the other side have a greater chance to win.

There are reasons for going AFK, I won't claim any of them excuse it, but they're there. Unless ArenaNet revisits this whole PvP-mission-in-PvE, those reasons will always be there.